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FOOD FALLACIES
EXPOSED!!!
What If Most of What
You’ve Been Told About Nutrition
Is A Lie?
© 2005 Pam Killeen
www.pamkilleen.com
Sally Fallon
of the Weston A. Price Foundation Reveals The Benefits
Of Butter, Eggs, Raw Milk, And More…
Sally Fallon founded the Weston A. Price Foundation in
1999 as a nonprofit, tax-exempt charity to disseminate
the research of nutrition pioneer, Dr. Weston Price,
whose studies of isolated non-industrialized peoples
established the parameters of human health and
determined the optimum characteristics of human diets.
Dr. Price’s research demonstrated that humans achieve
perfect physical form and perfect health generation
after generation only when they consume nutrient-dense,
whole foods and the vital fat-soluble activators found
exclusively in animal fats.
The Weston A. Price Foundation is
dedicated to restoring nutrient-dense foods to the human
diet through education, research and activism. It
supports a number of movements that contribute to this
objective including accurate nutrition instruction,
organic and biodynamic farming, pasture-feeding of
livestock, community-supported farms, honest and
informative labeling, prepared parenting and nurturing
therapies. Specific goals include establishment of
universal access to clean, certified raw milk and a ban
on the use of soy formula for infants.
The board and membership of the Weston A. Price
Foundation stand united in the belief that modern
technology should be harnessed as a servant to the wise
and nurturing traditions of our ancestors rather than
used as a force destructive to the environment and human
health; and that science and knowledge can validate
those traditions.
While at the Northern Plains Sustainable Agriculture
Society annual conference held in Aberdeen, South Dakota
in February 2005, Investigative Reporter, Pam Killeen
had the honor of interviewing Sally Fallon about the
work she is doing with the Weston A. Price Foundation.
I’ll begin by saying that you
are, indeed, one of my heroes, Sally. You’re a very
brave woman, blazing a trail in the field of nutrition.
When and how did you first get started studying a
dietary lifestyle that challenges all of the “diet
dictocrats”?
I guess it all got started about 30 years ago when I
read Dr. Weston A. Price’s book, “Nutrition and
Physical Degeneration.” I raised my children
according to these principles and they were very
healthy. Eventually, I realized that it would be a good
idea to write a cookbook that would support his work.
That’s why I began to write, “Nourishing Traditions.”
I was also involved with the Price-Pottenger Nutrition
Foundation in California for many years, but realized we
needed an activist organization that was more energetic
in getting out Dr. Price’s message to the public. In
1999, Dr. Mary Enig and I joined forces to begin the
Weston A. Price Foundation.
Prior to starting the foundation,
you had already written your cookbook, “Nourishing
Traditions”, had you not?
Yes, I had written the first edition in 1996 and then a
second edition came out in 1999, the year we established
the Weston A. Price Foundation.
As the title of your cookbook
indicates, you truly do challenge the “diet dictocrats.”
In many areas, you completely contradict what mainstream
media and science is telling us about what we should be
eating. What would you say is the most blatant
nutritional lie we are being told today?
Dr. Enig and I both believe that the most glaring lie
we’re being told today is surrounding the demonization
of saturated fats from animal foods and tropical oils
(such as coconut and palm oil). If you believe that
saturated fats are bad for you, you’re going to make the
wrong nutritional choices. Given this very misguided
advice (to avoid saturated fats), you may decide to
avoid red meat, whole milk, butter, cheese, coconut oil
and so forth, all of which are very nutritious foods.
Another glaring lie in line with
the saturated fats issue is that cholesterol is bad for
us.
When I was working on the second edition of
“Nourishing Traditions”, I came across the work of
Dr. Raviskov who has an interesting website,
www.ravnskov.nu. When I contacted him, I asked him
why he hadn’t yet published his work. He told me that he
couldn’t find a publisher. I could relate to what he was
telling me! I was thrilled to be able to publish his
work with my publishing company, New Trends. His book,
“The Cholesterol Myths”, became the second book
that I published. His work reveals the misconceptions
around cholesterol. Again, like saturated fat, if you
believe that cholesterol is the “enemy,” you will be led
down the wrong path and make the wrong choices about
your diet. Furthermore, this myth has totally skewed the
practice of medicine. If you buy into the myth that
cholesterol is a bad thing and subsequently cause your
cholesterol to lower, you could make yourself very sick.
That’s right. I can totally relate
to what you’re saying. I made the mistake of becoming a
vegan for about 10 years. I truly believed I was doing
the right thing and would help regain my health by
eating this way. Because I was avoiding animal products
(saturated fat and cholesterol), I’m sure my cholesterol
levels must have been far too low to be healthy. After
10 years of being a vegan, I slowly started getting back
into animal foods and was able to recover. I really
thought that I was getting all of the protein and B12 I
needed from a plant-based diet. And, I did a lot of
research, thinking I was following the diet properly. I
felt for myself the side effects of the misinformation
surrounding the vegan diet.
When Dr. Price traveled around the world, he didn’t find
any cultures following a vegan diet. He did, however,
discover different several groups whose diet was based
on plant foods. But the animal foods that they ate in
small amounts were very nutrient dense—foods like
insects and whole dried fish and shrimp.
Individuals can experience many different side effects
by getting their cholesterol too low. For example, you
can lose your ability to make hormones as many hormones
are made out of cholesterol. All of the hormones that
your body uses to deal with stress, the corticoid
hormones that deal with mineral metabolism and glucose
regulation, are made out of cholesterol and all of the
sex hormones are made out of cholesterol. If you were to
ask a man if he wanted to get rid of the substance he
needs to make testosterone, what do you think he would
say? If men found out that lowering cholesterol will
reduce or eliminate their libido, I believe men would
ignore their doctor’s advice.
Do doctors add insult to injury by
prescribing drugs like Lipitor?
Lipitor is the strongest of all of the statin drugs.
They all have the potential of having some serious side
effects because they not only cut off the production of
cholesterol, they cut off the production of many
important nutrients such as CoQ10 (which is an important
nutrient for your heart). Other side effects of
cholesterol-lowering drugs include: depression,
infertility, muscle problems, weakness and neuropathy.
What can individuals do to achieve
healthy cholesterol levels or must they simply abolish
the notion that cholesterol is their enemy?
High cholesterol levels are not related to heart
disease, as we have been led to believe. First of all,
individuals must cure themselves of “cholesterol
anxiety.” In other words, they have to detach themselves
from the fear that surrounds cholesterol. Get on real
foods and stop worrying about your cholesterol. If your
cholesterol doesn’t go down, it’s probably because your
body needs that cholesterol.
University-trained nutritionists
have been declaring for several decades now that we need
to lower our saturated fat intake and lower our
cholesterol. Despite this advice, we have an obesity
epidemic and heart disease is on the rise. I see a
similar failure with the “diabetic diet;” even with this
diet, we still have a diabetes epidemic. Even though we
have insulin, we still have diabetes. Clearly,
mainstream solutions have not had the answers we need to
create a healthy society. In your new book that you
co-authored with Dr. Mary Enig, “Eat Fat, Lose Fat”, you
contradict the advice of all formally trained
nutritionists by recommending a high fat, high
cholesterol diet in order to lose weight.
Clearly high carbohydrate diets are not working. And
high protein diets are dangerous because they deplete
important nutrients, especially vitamin A. The third
alternative becomes evident – we need to look towards a
high fat diet. Fats are very satisfying and supply the
body with some very important vitamins. In the book, we
focus on coconut oil as it has some amazing properties
for weight loss. The types of fatty acids in coconut oil
are not stored as fat in the body. Rather, they are
burned for energy. Coconut oil is great for boosting
metabolism and providing a feeling of satiation. As
such, coconut oil will not cause you to gain weight.
I understand that coconut oil
boosts the metabolism by causing “thermogenesis”?
This is demonstrated in the science. Coconut oil raises
body temperature. This is really good news for people
who are overweight due to low thyroid conditions.
Coconut oil boosts the metabolism, raises the body
temperature and gives you more energy. We have even had
reports of people who have been able to get off their
thyroid medications simply by consuming coconut oil.
Your message has been reaching
several countries around the world. What kind of
feedback are you getting from people who are following
your dietary advice?
We get wonderful feedback. For example, I was just
speaking with a man who had been suffering from sugar
cravings. I had told him that he needed to increase his
intake of saturated fats. Sure enough, once he began to
eat more butter, eggs and so on, his sugar cravings
disappeared. He did not have to use his willpower; he
just no longer wanted to eat sugar.
I met him. I noticed he was
slender and looked very healthy.
The only people who have trouble with our lifestyle are
people who have been on low fat diets for a long time,
and have very low cholesterol, and hence trouble dealing
with the fat. The fats may make them nauseated. Such
people may have to slowly increase their fat intake.
Coconut oil is fairly easy to digest. You can start with
a teaspoon of coconut oil before each meal and gradually
increase to the amount we recommend, which is about a
tablespoon.
According to Dr. Price’s research,
butter is a very nourishing, sacred food. You and Dr.
Enig also recommend that we eat large amounts of butter.
Once again, some individuals may have to start off
slowly with the butter. But, yes, butter is loaded with
many important nutrients that our bodies need. However,
it is important for the butter to be organic and come
from grass-fed cows.
Even though the book has only just
been released, have you had any weight loss
testimonials?
One man has already written telling us that he has lost
120 pounds. Many others have written telling us that
this is the first “diet” that has ever worked for them.
This diet will not make you skinny, however. What it
does is that it normalizes weight. We do warn people
that being too slim is not healthy. The standards that
are being published today are too stringent for most
people.
What other benefits are people
experiencing?
We have wonderful reports of people increasing their
energy, regulating their hormonal problems (especially
menstrual problems), restoring fertility, reversing
arthritis. Dr. Cowan, who is on our Board, has been
successfully using this diet with his cancer patients.
That’s very encouraging news,
Sally. And, I must share with everyone that I, too, have
met several people who have been following your advice
and have successfully restored their health. I also
noticed that they did not simply regain their health
only to lose it again after so many weeks, months or
years; they successfully regained their health and are
able to maintain their health even years later. This
means a lot to me because, for over 10 years, as I was
relentlessly searching for answers to regain my health,
I would try (while I was a vegan), for example, a raw
food diet and feel better for a short period of time,
then eventually relapse or get worse. When I look back
at the groups of people I met who were hoping that
veganism, macrobiotics, raw foodism would help them,
then compare these people to the ones I have met who
follow your advice, the results are night and day. There
are far too many “gimmicks” out there. This only leads
to confusion and, ultimately, more sickness. What I
respect about your suggestions is that they are very
basic. One can successfully get healthy while they live
in the “real world” following your advice. Can you give
us an example of food choices in a typical day on this
diet?
On the “Eat Fat, Lose Fat” diet, you start off
your morning by taking 1 to 2 tablespoons of coconut oil
(melted in some hot water or herb tea) and some cod
liver oil for the vitamin A. For breakfast, you could
have eggs, or a smoothie made with whole yoghurt with
some coconut milk and some egg yolks. You could also
have a bowl of oatmeal, which has been soaked overnight,
then cooked in the morning upon rising. The portions of
each meal are small, but since you are taking coconut
oil before each meal, you will find that you won’t
overeat. Lunch could consist of a piece of meat with
some vegetables and butter. It could be a tuna salad. It
could be some cheese with some whole grain bread and
butter. Simple, but very filling. Dinner could be soup
or salad, meat and vegetables (again, with plenty of
butter!). We recommend organ meats like liver at least
once a week (which could be in the form of a delicious
pate) and use lots of coconut products (especially whole
coconut milk) in soups, curries and stews. Although this
diet is not as restrictive as the Atkins diet, we still
don’t recommend a lot of carbohydrates.
We are bombarded with so many
“faddish” diets that are very restrictive and bland.
This diet not only sounds very simple, it sounds very
delicious! It also consists of the foods we, as North
Americans, are most familiar with. I don’t know anyone
who doesn’t like butter. I think many people will be
very drawn to this diet simply because of the butter!
It may be a diet full of familiar “whole” foods, but it
is not a diet full of familiar “processed” foods. For
this reason, the diet may be a little difficult for
those who have been on a processed food diet for most of
their lives. The industrialized, processed food industry
is one of the main contributing factors to disease.
Processed foods are difficult for our body to
assimilate, are potentially loaded with MSG (and/or
other neurotoxins) and are deficient in many important
nutrients. On the other hand, nutrient-dense, whole
foods give us what we need to be healthy. If you want to
gain weight (or develop other health problems), eat
foods containing MSG. Hydrolyzed protein is also MSG. In
the laboratory, scientists feed MSG to test animals in
order to get them to become obese—MSG has that effect
and it is in virtually ALL processed food.
I’m also very impressed by the
suggestions that we start to buy our food directly from
the farmers. That way, we can seek out farmers who put
the animals out on pasture. We can also seek out farmers
who avoid the use of chemicals and medications and
maximize nutrient density in the foods that they
produce.
The Weston A. Price Foundation has a system of local
chapters all over the world that help people find the
good grass-fed farm foods that are extremely rich in
nutrients. Go to
www.westonaprice.org to find a chapter in your area.
The chapter leaders will help guide you to the farms
where you can find this wonderful food. Also, in our new
book, “Eat Fat, Lose Fat” we have an extensive
resource section which will help you find farms in your
area.
What you’re referring to would be
foods such as: grass-fed beef, chicken, eggs, raw milk,
cheese, yoghurt, quark, kefir, sauerkraut and more.
Thanks to your efforts, Sally, farmers can directly
profit from the sale of their products and consumers can
have more control over their health by choosing high
quality food.
Consumers need to familiarize themselves with terms such
as “grass-fed” or “pastured” animals. For example, in
the case of chickens, “free-run” or “free-range” can
still mean that they are in confinement, but not in
cages. Meat, chicken, eggs etc… from pastured animals
have more nutrition. When animals are in confinement and
fed too much grain (such as corn and soy) there is a far
greater chance that the meat will be contaminated with
E. coli. Plus, when the cow is on pasture, the meat and
the milk will contain more nutrition.
In the chicken industry, I’ve been
told that the term “free-range” is terribly misleading.
The chicken confinement operations build balconies on to
their buildings because the definition to “free-run”
means that the chickens have to have access to the
outdoors. In other words, they really never go outside.
They’re actually called “balcony chickens.” Can you tell
us more about the nutritional differences between
confinement animals and animals that are raised on
pasture where they belong?
We designed our diet plan using the fundamental
nutrients Dr. Price discovered in his research. Dr.
Price traveled around the world searching for the
healthiest people so that he could determine the
healthiest diet. One of his most critical findings was
that the healthiest people consumed high amounts of the
fat-soluble vitamins, A and D. These vitamins can only
be found in animal products such as organ meats, cod
liver oil, butterfat and egg yolks. However, the vitamin
A will only be there if the animal is eating green
grass. Likewise, the vitamin D will only be there if the
animal is outside exposed to sunlight. This is why it is
so important to get our animals out of the factories and
onto pastures where they belong.
How much credence do you give
“scientific studies”? For instance, a new study was just
released indicating that there’s a connection between
eating red meat and colon cancer. What you’re telling us
is to eat all sorts of foods that “experts” are telling
us to avoid.
In Argentina, where they eat high amounts of red meat,
there is very little incidence of colon cancer. When you
honestly look at these studies, you do not find an
association of colon cancer with the consumption of
fresh meat. But you do find an association with
processed meats, loaded with additives.
I understand that you believe that
we will see an end to confinement operations in another
50 years.
The confinement system is going to collapse under its
own weight much sooner than that, starting with the
dairy system. This is an unsustainable system. Cows in
confinement give birth to 1.7 calves, on average. Half
of those calves are male. Some of the cows don’t survive
and some of them aren’t good milkers. So all it takes is
second grade math to figure out that this is not going
to sustain itself. We’re just not going to have enough
dairy cows to continue this system.
Isn’t pasteurization just a form
of duct tape to cover up for how unhealthy the milk is
from these sick confinement cows?
That’s right. Pasteurization is trying to make unhealthy
milk healthy. The problem with pasteurization is that it
destroys the “immune system” of the milk. In other
words, the pasteurization process destroys all of the
safety systems in raw milk that eliminate pathogens.
Pasteurization also deforms the protein in milk so that
when you consume the milk, you’re body thinks it’s a
foreign protein. That’s why more and more people can’t
consume commercial milk – the body reacts to it as an
allergen.
People react to the milk, then
turn towards alternatives such as soymilk. You have
recently published Dr. Kaayla Daniel’s book, “The
Whole Soy Story”, which goes into detail about the
problems with soy. Can you elaborate on your opposition
to the soy industry?
When I was researching “Nourishing Traditions”, I
came across a lot of research about soy. Studies showed
that you cannot get the toxins out of soy through the
regular methods and that in order to digest soy it must
be prepared through proper fermentation techniques. With
all of the inherent problems with soy, I wondered why
there had been such a push to build the soy industry, so
I asked Dr. Enig. She told me that the soy oil industry
needed to get rid of the soy waste products so they
built another industry around the soy protein industry
(in order to make more money). The soy protein industry
targeted the upscale, health conscious shopper and
started pushing soy burgers, soymilk, etc…The propaganda
campaign for soy has been relentless and has caused a
lot of people to become ill from their products. The
most common complaint we hear is that soy is depressing
thyroid function. Our biggest concern, however, is that
soy is being given to babies in the form of baby
formulas. Soy is full of estrogenic compounds which we
now know are endocrine disrupting that can adversely
affect the sexual development of the child, as well as
behavior, thinking and learning.
I think most men would avoid soy
if they found out that it adversely affects their
libido.
That’s exactly right. There are studies that show that
men who do eat soy have lower testosterone and higher
estrogen levels. I felt very strongly about warning
people about the problems associated with soy. Dr.
Daniel has done an absolutely outstanding job with her
new book. She has taken very complex material and made
it easy to read. I believe this book is going to have a
huge impact on the food industry and the way we eat. I
think it’s going to bring people to their senses. She
has 20 endorsements from top scientists.
When I was a vegan, I really
thought soy was good for me. I truly believed all of the
propaganda including the idea that soy is a complete
protein (which I later discovered, it is not). I’m sure
I could give you and Dr. Daniel a testimonial about how
I was adversely affected by soy (for example, I was cold
all of the time and had wasting muscles even though I
was an athlete). It can take a while to re-educate
people, but if they don’t have the correct information,
they will do what I did and believe the mainstream media
and science (which can be completely bogus!). When I
first heard you speak, Sally, I immediately “got” what
you were saying. I was able to “let go” of all of the
programming I had received when I researched the vegan,
raw food, macrobiotic diets. I got rid of my “phobias”
surrounding animal protein and fat. The albatross was
removed from my shoulders, I discarded all of the vegan
propaganda I had studied for 10 years and started eating
the high quality, pastured animal protein and fat. What
a relief! My body thanks me for that! I regularly meet
other people who fell into the same trap I did and have
switched to what you call “traditional” foods, and are
also enjoying health benefits. The individuals I meet
also complain of experiencing side effects from soy.
Yes. In “The Whole Soy Story” book by
Dr. Daniel there are “My Soy Story” testimonials
sprinkled throughout. These are heartbreaking personal
testimonials including one from a woman who experienced
thyroid problems from simply eating soy lecithin. There
are testimonials from distraught women whose children
are growing up unable to have a normal sex life because
the women consumed soy when they were pregnant or they
gave soy to their babies in the form of baby formula. I
just received an email this morning from a woman whose
husband is a doctor (a thyroid specialist). She said
that they had been on soy for years. He developed
thyroid problems and had to go on medication. Then his
wife developed thyroid problems and that’s when they
started doing some research on the internet and found
out that it was the soy that was causing their problems.
You can’t imagine how shocked these people were! He’s a
thyroid specialist and did not know that soy depresses
the thyroid.
You even mention that some
individuals have thyroid problems when they consume an
excessive amount of cruciferous vegetables (such as
broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, brussel sprouts) that
are not prepared properly.
That’s right. Cruciferous vegetables need to be cooked
or fermented so that the thyroid-suppressing components
are neutralized. I’m very concerned about people who
juice these vegetables because the juice will be
concentrated with the thyroid depressing substances.
I also studied under Dr. Ann
Wigmore (Hippocrates Diet) and became a “raw foodist”
for many years. I was very involved in juicing and
eating raw vegetables. I had to learn the hard way that
this diet is not only a lot of work it can also be very
unhealthy. It is also very difficult to follow this diet
and stay in the real world at the same time. The
allure of the raw food diet is
that when you start eating uncooked foods, you will feel
some initial benefits, but in the long run, since it is
a diet that is deficient in many nutrients, you may
experience some detrimental health effects (but the
symptoms may take a long time to manifest themselves).
Again, I have met several people who have had adverse
health effects who are doing the Hippocrates/Ann Wigmore
style of diet consisting of raw foods and/or juicing.
The good news is that many of these people have caught
on to the problems inherent to these types of programs
and are much healthier on traditional foods (such as raw
butter, raw whole milk, kefir, yoghurt, chicken, eggs
from pastured animals etc…).
Even if someone can’t buy food from the farm, they can
still successfully live in the real world by buying
these whole foods by shopping in the outer periphery of
the grocery store. This is a better choice than buying
processed foods that are located on the middle shelves.
These processed foods are potentially laden with
neurotoxins and trans fats! At the grocery store, if you
are buying dairy products, make sure to choose the high
fat dairy products and avoid the low fat, skimmed, 1%
etc… At the health food store, you will be able to find
pasteurized organic dairy products. There are even some
small dairies that are producing commercial
non-homogenized, pasteurized dairy products. Do the best
you can to find the product that has been subjected to
the least amount of processing, and make sure to choose
the high fat content.
In your presentation, you outlined
4 things that you did that helped dramatically increase
your energy. Of course, fatigue has become an epidemic
today. What are these 4 things you did to help increase
your energy?
One thing I have always done is to eat butter, and other
high fat foods (traditional fats, that is). A second
thing that really helped me was to eat the
lacto-fermented foods like sauerkraut, which help your
digestion. Anything that helps your digestion will help
to increase your energy. A third thing I did was to
learn how to properly prepare my grains so that they
were easier to digest. Finally, I started regularly
preparing and consuming traditional bone broths.
Instructions on how to prepare these foods are in my
books, “Nourishing Traditions” and “Eat Fat,
Lose Fat.”
Can you elaborate on the proper
preparation of grains? Many people eat cereal for
breakfast. What should they know about a good breakfast?
Instead of eating what I call the “cruel” breakfast
(which normally includes processed orange juice,
pasteurized milk and extruded cereal), I recommend you
switch to a very filling “gruel” breakfast,
old-fashioned porridge. The oats need to be soaked
overnight in a solution of water and a tablespoon
something acidic (such as lemon juice or whey), and then
cooked up the next morning. Be sure to add lots of
butter and cream to your oatmeal. You can also add
coconut and a natural sweetener. Oatmeal is a far better
choice than the extruded, commercial cereals you find in
the grocery stores. The proteins in grain are very
sensitive to extreme heat. When the grain is processed
and rendered into a flake, for instance, the heat from
the extrusion process makes the protein in the grain
toxic. You’d probably be better off eating the box than
you would be eating the cereal! If you like pancakes,
you can freshly grind your flour, and then, like the
oatmeal, soak the flour overnight. I have the complete
pancake recipe in my cookbook. People love them. They
are very light and fluffy. Of course, eggs are also a
very healthy choice for breakfast.
Should people buy sourdough
bread?
People need to buy “genuine” sourdough bread or make it
themselves. Genuine sourdough bread requires a
fermentation process that helps get rid of the
anti-nutrients in grain, making the grain easier to
digest.
You have some great recipe
ideas in your books. Now, I’d like to ask you about your
other website,
www.realmilk.com. Can you tell us some of the
critical issues surrounding the raw milk controversy?
I think the main hurdle to overcome is to get people
over their fears about raw milk. There are a lot of
errors in what the government is saying about the
dangers of raw milk. Lee Dexter, White Egret Farm in
Austin, Texas did calculations using data on the CDC
website and determined that (based upon numbers of
outbreaks, or cases of food borne illness per person)
raw milk is the safest food in our food supply. Raw milk
is 2 ½ times safer than pasteurized milk and 3 ½ times
safer than other foods. If the government were really
serious about protecting us, they would tell us not to
eat fruits and vegetables because the most outbreaks of
food borne illness come from eating fruits and
vegetables. And yet, nobody is seriously proposing that
we avoid raw fruits and vegetables. We have the choice
as to whether or not we cook them. The pasteurized milk
industry uses the 40-year-old science in order to make a
case for pasteurized milk. They have a clear, biased,
unsubstantiated and unscientific vendetta against raw
milk. As I mentioned earlier, the dairy industry is in a
lot of trouble these days.
What can people do to get the raw
milk in their area?
It depends on where you live. In California,
Pennsylvania, and Connecticut you can get raw milk in
the health food stores. In some states, you can get it
from the farm. In other states, you have to get it by
joining a cow share program. If you go to
www.realmilk.com and click on “Where”, you can find,
by state, where to find raw milk in your area.
Alternatively, you can go to
www.westonaprice.org and contact your local chapter
to find sources of healthy foods, such as raw milk from
pastured cows.
Some readers will have some
concern over the safety of raw milk. Do the dairy
farmers who are providing
raw milk test their milk
at labs to make sure that certain standards are met?
That’s a common practice,
but even more important is for the cows to be tested
free of disease, that they graze on pasture and that
they be milked in clean conditions. Customers should
visit the farms they are getting their milk from. Raw
milk has an admirable history of safety. Raw milk has
been legally sold in California for many years and there
haven’t been any problems. You can find out more
information about the safety of raw milk by going to
www.realmilk.com.
You also published Ron Schmid’s
book, “The Untold Story of Milk”, where he gives
a detailed explanation of how pasteurized milk took over
the dairy industry. Can you give us a summary of this
story?
He tells a wonderful story. Back in the late 1800’s,
when people were crowded into cities, we had what was
called a “milk problem.” The milk was being produced in
confinement dairies in the cities. They were called
“swill dairies” and the cows were fed the “swill” from
the breweries. This resulted in milk that was so dirty,
so unhealthy that the death rate of the children in the
cities was about 50%. This was called the “milk
problem.” Two solutions were proposed. One was the
certified milk movement where the milk was produced on
farms and tested for cleanliness. This milk was brought
in from the country on trains or lorries. The other
solution was pasteurization. Interestingly enough, both
pasteurization and the outlawing of the swill milk
occurred at the same time. The “milk problem” went away.
Pasteurization took the credit. But for many years,
certified raw dairy and pasteurized dairy were both
available and the health officials were very grateful to
have the certified raw dairy and they recommended it.
However, eventually, the certified raw dairy lost out to
the commercial interests of pasteurized dairy.
Some research implicates
pasteurized dairy as being a potential cause of
diabetes.
Pasteurized dairy, sugar and trans fats are all
potential contributing factors to diabetes. If your
child has earaches and you take him to the doctor, the
doctor will tell you to stop giving him milk. The doctor
is acknowledging that there is a problem with commercial
milk. When a child goes on healthy dairy (raw, from
pastured cows), his health problems will soon disappear.
The sense of relief for the parents is profound. They
have finally found a food that their children can and
will eat! It is also a food that provides their child
with the nutrients he needs. There are more and more
grateful mothers who are joining the campaign for real
milk. Politicians can’t ignore the many women who
testify to the fact that raw milk saved their child’s
life.
Some experts are warning us that
the newest generation of children will not live as long
as their parents. This is the first time in the history
of mankind that a phenomenon such as this will
potentially occur if something dramatic isn’t done to
prevent it! We still have a very high infant mortality
rate. The rate of infertility is 1 in 4. Birth defects
are on the rise. Many of these problems are due to
dietary deficiencies. Parents are clearly very concerned
and are starting to take action by removing the
processed foods that are contributing to these problems
and replacing them with the traditional, nutrient-dense
foods you teach us about. Women who adopt the
traditional diet before, during and after their
pregnancies have very healthy babies. I notice that they
also seem to be very intelligent and alert children.
That is a real tribute to you, Dr. Price and Dr. Enig.
On our website you will find our “Healthy Baby Gallery.”
These are beautiful, healthy, calm babies who don’t tend
to cry. In his travels, Dr. Price discovered that the
babies brought up in traditional settings rarely cried.
Simply put, they were happy, healthy babies.
Are people being mislead by the
current belief that we are supposedly living longer?
Many people fall back on this belief in order to justify
their poor diets.
People say, “Well if our diet is so bad, why are we
living so long today?” The people who are living long
today are the people who grew up on real food in the
early 1900’s. At that time, we had one of the healthiest
diets on the planet. We had pasture-based agriculture,
people ate lots of butter. People who were raised on
this type of a traditional diet will live longer no
matter how badly they abuse their bodies later on. The
people who were born after WWII are not going to live as
long as the people who were born before WWII. We are
seeing many cases of children who are dying before their
parents. And we have a crisis with our babies today -
low birth weight, birth defects, learning disabilities.
It’s rare to find a healthy baby today. What’s going on
is what I call, “The Natural Selection of the Wise.” The
people who do not get wise and start realizing that they
have to choose healthy foods are not going to reproduce.
But as long as we keep educating people, getting the
truth out, I’m confident that things will improve.
There’s no way that we can’t be successful because
Nature’s laws are implacable and will run their course.
I just hope that a lot of people get wise very quickly.
You even use a very strong word
to refer to this phenomenon – GENOCIDE.
In order to prevent this
genocide, people have to say “no” to the multi-nationals
by not buying their food and start buying healthy food
from the farm.
There is a very easy way to solve the problem, just
don’t buy the “witches food”. Don’t buy into food
propaganda (such as the low fat diet, soy, pasteurized
dairy, veganism, etc…). Go to a farmer to buy these
wonderful traditional foods we’re talking about. This
will help regain the health of your family and will help
build an economy based upon sound principles.
Why do you think that we are being
warned about hunting deer? Do you think that there’s an
agenda to prevent us from eating healthy, wild sources
of animal protein?
Yes. If the food is completely controlled through the
multi-nationals, then only they can stand to benefit. Of
course, the animal protein from confinement animals is
not very healthy. Hunters need to remain hunters and not
be deterred from any potential propaganda.
I read a story out of Germany
recently that spoke about pastured eggs being
contaminated with dioxin. Is this yet another scare
tactic that the food industry could use to scare us into
buying commercial eggs?
Consumers need to be cautioned about any media campaigns
used to support industry. For centuries, media has been
used irresponsibly. The media supported the lies
surrounding cholesterol and saturated fat, for instance.
For some individuals, when they hear something over and
over again, it becomes easier to believe the lie than it
is to believe the truth. It comes down to common sense.
If you want to find the truth, you just follow the
money. I would prefer to see most of the profit end up
in the farmers’ pockets, rather than in the pockets of
the multi-nationals. Whether they’re trying to scare us
about dioxin in the eggs, wasting disease, avian flu,
mad cow disease, etc, we still need to acknowledge that
we have to buy our foods from reputable, conscientious
farmers who are using proper farming practices. This is
just common sense. If you visit a confinement operation,
you will probably not want to eat the food from this
source ever again.
I have met farmers who have
become very ill from working in these operations. The
air quality is very poor and they get sick from
breathing the ammonia and other chemicals created from
the animals.
Put them back out on pasture and we’ll all be healthier!
Your other project is to build a
lab so that foods can be tested for nutrient density.
Can you tell us a little more about how that is going?
One of our goals at the Weston A. Price Foundation is to
eventually be able to test foods for nutrient density so
that we can determine optimal farming methods and
optimal preparation methods. Our government does nothing
to support these matters. Our government doesn’t believe
agricultural practices affect the nutrient uptake in the
plant! Nor do they acknowledge that there are
nutritional differences once the food has been
processed. Instead, they think that all you have to do
is add synthetic nutrients back into processed foods in
order to make them healthy. We would very much like to
get started on our laboratory and would be very grateful
for any donations. I would also encourage your readers
to get a membership with the Weston A. Price Foundation.
I think all of your supporters
will be contributing to a very worthwhile cause. Your
research will definitely affect the quality of life of
current and future generations. Do you have any parting
words?
I remember having a conversation with Dr. Enig about all
of the scientists who have prostituted themselves to the
food industry. I told her that I couldn’t understand how
these scientists could look at themselves in the mirror
and Dr. Enig said to me, “We’re the ones that are having
fun!”
That’s because you’re revealing
the truth!
And, we’re having a great time doing it.
Could you mention a list of the
books you have published through your company, New
Trends Publishing?
My cookbook, Nourishing Traditions, The Whole Soy
Story by Dr. Kaayla Daniel, Cholesterol Myths,
The Untold Story of Milk, The Yoga of Eating. If you
visit
www.newtrendspublishing, you can get all 6 titles
for $100.00. It’s a great value.
You’re a true leader, a
trailblazer, not to mention a very brave woman fighting
the food giants. I agree with everything you’re doing
and totally support your efforts. Thank you so much for
agreeing to do this interview. Keep up the good work!
Thank
you so much.
Pam is an Investigative Reporter and a Health Watchdog,
exposing truth in issues such as health, nutrition and
agriculture.
© 2005 Pam Kileeen
www.pamkilleen.com
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